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Transcript
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hi everyone pamela morgan from the
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headstrong podcast i’d love to welcome
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everybody watching today go grab a tea a
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coffee your lunch maybe your dinner
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depends the time zone that you’re
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sitting in and get comfortable for about
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the next 30 minutes i’m so excited to
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have
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jaden catherine alberts on with us today
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um we’re really going to be super
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organic here in this conversation we
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have so many things to celebrate uh one
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jade and catherine work a lot uh with
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folks like you and i entrepreneurs
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so they do a lot uh when it comes to
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peer guidance
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investment i have to do a shout out
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though to both of these awesome folks
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today that they just celebrated 20 years
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of what it bliss so congratulations you
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guys that that alone is a huge milestone
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and especially when you’re coming
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through pandemic
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and you’re still celebrating love so
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congratulations
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and along with that they’ve got two
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beautiful uh girls that growing they’re
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raising to be leaders i’m sure
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so we could go anywhere we could talk
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about love and marriage we could talk
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about being entrepreneurs um but today
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we’re actually here to talk a little bit
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more on a serious note about mental
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health and how you navigate through that
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so i love the t-shirts today too both of
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you not alone it’s okay to not be okay
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so maybe we can talk
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as well about what what do we do after
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we have that conversation and say it’s
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okay not to be okay what are those next
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steps
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i think pamela froze so i think so
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so friends please feel free what are
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some of those next steps she was just
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about to ask you
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well at least she’s got a good look on
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her face and it’s not oh there she’s
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back anyway
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did i did i freeze up was it like it’s a
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weird luck yeah
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oh you look good it was it was a good it
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wasn’t a midnight
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okay
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so did you catch what i said jade about
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i did yeah we did um i mean i think the
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you know any time those next steps it’s
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it’s about open communication and and
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and being honest and talking and
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and i think that’s and a very important
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part of
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you know of moving forward once you’ve
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kind of realized the problem that’s
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there and and and
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no one ever knows a solution or how long
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it’ll take or what it’s going to take to
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get there but you know being there for
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each other reaching out to other people
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for help using your network using you
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know people that have been there and i
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mean
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you know connie and i have talked about
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this before we’ve been there you both
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have been on the shows and and that’s
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exactly one of the best things that we
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can do is making sure that you’re you’re
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not alone and asking for help is not a
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sign of weakness and
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and being there for
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and having people just there to listen
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to you and and that was a really really
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important first step um when it came to
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to myself and and catherine and and i’ll
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let her kind of dive into you know her
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next steps when when we were starting
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our you know our recovery
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a wonderful thanks jaden and catherine
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what’s your
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your input on that
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yeah i you know i think it’s um
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you know every
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healing journey is different for people
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it really is and um
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the biggest thing uh when you’re going
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through it you don’t think you’re gonna
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get out
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it is and it’s true for a lot of people
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when they’re going they’re struggling
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with mental health
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and it’s that sense of hope right you
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need to have some hope
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that it is going to get better and
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i know it was helpful for me
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in having a big network
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whether it was of professionals whether
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it was friends
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obviously family during coved um i was
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stuck
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just the two of us a lot right so we had
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to talk a lot
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and i had to talk about some of my
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struggles and um you know i had family
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members that reached out to me every
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single day and checking in how i was
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doing
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so
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you know the biggest part
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um
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is having that network you know how you
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know the saying that says
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um
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it takes a village to raise a child
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i really believe that too with mental
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health it takes a village it truly does
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that
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that’s remarkable and i love the fact
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that you know in your mess what i’m
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hearing right now is the message of how
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brave you were coming forward
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and making that step
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to let people that love you and worry
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about you and that you’re so important
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to know that that you weren’t okay right
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yeah it’s it’s really difficult um
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you know part of what i went through
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with uh
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psychosis is part of the
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part of it is is that you actually don’t
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think you have anything wrong with you
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so anyone who has dealt maybe with a
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family member who has schizophrenia or
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something like that
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they may have a difficulty in getting
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them on medication and coming to terms
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with what’s going on
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it’s not that they don’t want to
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it’s just that they don’t feel like
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there’s anything wrong with them
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um you know i truly believed i had
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superpowers
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you know i truly believed i was having
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intense
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discussions with god i mean these are
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things that you know for some people
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would be like miracles right and
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so
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it’s it is it is difficult um in in
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seeking help when an individual doesn’t
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think they need help right
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so if i can and i know we’re breaking up
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a little bit at that unstable
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internet that probably is my
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responsibility so i apologize
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uh
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when you’re talking about not really
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knowing that you need help and what that
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looks like
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would you be comfortable in sharing what
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were those steps for you like what was
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that realization for you specifically
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that you went oh
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hey something’s something’s amiss
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yeah um
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you know it was probably the last
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psychologist that i saw and even though
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i went to the hospital twice you know i
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was in the hospital
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once in june and again
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in um
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in september for a full month and
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you know you’re told your diagnosis but
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you don’t quite understand it all
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and what i found was um
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you just yeah you’re just unsure
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really
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and um of what’s going on
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you know something’s going on but you
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just don’t quite understand it you don’t
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understand what people are saying to you
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either so it was really hard from a
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comprehension perspective
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and then once i saw
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i had a
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therapist that specialized in psychosis
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and we had a conversation
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around um you know what that looks like
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and i won’t i’ll never forget filling
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out kind of the the questionnaire that
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he asked me
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and all the different things that he
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said you know were part of psychosis and
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then i realized
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yeah that’s what i had
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you know it was just it was kind of um
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i think you need it
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you need it brought up to you a lot
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right and that was what i really felt
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um i needed
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i
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i guess i needed the the door
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continually to be uh
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open for me and shown to me that makes
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sense
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oh we’re freezing up
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i would love to ask you
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pamela i hope you don’t mind just
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because i froze
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yeah i would love to ask you what
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brought you
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to be able to actually want to get help
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you you feel so horrible
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yeah like you are incredibly uh so there
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although there’s that period of you
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think you have special powers
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then part of psychosis is you go through
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a depression too as well
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and when you’re going through that um
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you then
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you just want to be out of it and you
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don’t feel like i never felt like myself
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and um i had
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very little joy
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in anything um it was really hard for me
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to do lots of tasks just at home like
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just an example
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just making a meal it felt very um
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hard and difficult it was like
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relearning like a child like i felt like
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a child in a lot of ways so
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i was like i can’t stay like this i
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never thought i’d go back to work that’s
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how you go through those periods right
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it’s so dark
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and now going through that
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i have such amount of empathy for anyone
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who’s struggling
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because then you really
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i get it why people a don’t talk about
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it because it is so hard
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um
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and um
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you know be sometimes why they feel like
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they’re never going to get out of it
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right
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did you find kathy
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when
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you were given that diagnosis did you
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find that it was freeing like you
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finally had an answer you knew what was
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going on what kind of what went through
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your head on that
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yeah so we we had a bit of a struggle
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though too like and this i think this
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happens to a lot of people when i’ve had
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conversations sometimes it’s around
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medication like people getting the right
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medication and they struggle with their
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family members and they never really
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find the right combination
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um
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what i i also when i came out of the
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hospital the second time i had sought a
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psychologist and um
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she decided to label me with ocd
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and adhd and so and she didn’t agree
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with the psychiatrist so i had
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professionals not agreeing which is so
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difficult and you are so challenged by
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that because all you want to do is get
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help
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so a therapist on one side the
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psychiatrist is like there’s nothing
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wrong with you you’re fine
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and you have someone else that wants to
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get you on more medication and then i
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had my general gp saying
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no like
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you there’s i’m not putting you on more
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medication you don’t need to be on
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medication it’s going to be worse and
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it just um
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you know it was a tough decision but we
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decided you know when again this is
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where
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like i felt like a child and so i really
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would go to jade and be like
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and he’s like no you don’t have adhd
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you’re not ocd
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and you know you just have to start to
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trust um
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your family members and what they were
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saying
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and um
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you know then we made a choice
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you know to really get my get me back to
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work
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to also uh have a new psychiatrist that
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specialized in my first diagnosis
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but yeah i was along the way and i found
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that out from my therapist i mean
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there’s not a lot of
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therapists that actually specialize in
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psychosis
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so that can be a difficulty where they
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get labeled as something else because
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you you kind of go through a lot of
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different mental illnesses you suffer
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with anxiety panic attacks
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uh you can be manic
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depression so you have all these
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symptoms
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um that looks like something else
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and so you could kind of you could have
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a therapist that doesn’t know as much
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around psychosis and doesn’t realize
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that those are
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are very much symptoms of it right so um
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getting the right help is so important
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that’s the big part
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and that alone sometimes can probably be
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a journey right
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you know
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having the right people surrounding you
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your tribe
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however you want to relate to that
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people that love and support you is i
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think so important
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um and my heart goes out to people that
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feel maybe sometimes that they don’t
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have that support and it doesn’t mean
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that you need to have them
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it’s not the quantity it’s always the
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quality that’s how i can relate to my
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life it’s quality and in your tribe
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and you know i
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i’m probably going to speak for you that
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jade was an absolute blessing that
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he stood by your side you know and
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i ask you jade for a couple moments a
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couple questions related to
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what did that look like for you when
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kathy was going through
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through that
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you know i mean
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people ask me that all the time and it’s
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just like you know what it’s your role
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it’s your job it’s uh
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you’re you’re not only there for your
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wife but you also have our two beautiful
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children that have a perspective
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different perspective on it and then
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you know even when we were going through
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covid there i had a bunch of
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entrepreneurs reaching out to me and
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things along those lines so
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i was wearing like five hats and and you
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know kind of the the work hat went away
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for a little bit and and you know just
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did what i had to because you had to
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focus on your family
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and of course we weren’t sharing you
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know our story or what was going on
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unless it was you know our our
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close-knit group of friends and and
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people that you know i reached out to
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you know four questions you know should
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i do this what should i do here
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um but
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like i said like each person you know
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kathy had different needs and
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and and even during this time frame they
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were going back to school so it was
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talking to the teachers saying you know
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if you notice anything that’s going on
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please you know let me know this is
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this is this is what’s happening and and
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making sure that you know one of our
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daughters was was able to talk to a
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counselor they wanted to the other one
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didn’t so
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it was also making sure that that line
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of communication was
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was open because she was a little closed
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off a bit when uh when calf came home so
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again it’s just wearing a bunch of hats
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and and really just listening
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and you know not kind of offering
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opinions and
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uh and being there and like and like
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kath said i mean i totally disagreed
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with you know we’ve been married for 20
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together for 27 years and i know she’s
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not adhd or ocd come look at our
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bathroom like it’s we’re you know i i’m
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probably the one that has both of them
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to a point but
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you know it’s it’s there it’s listening
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it’s hugging it’s uh you know just being
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there it’s just laying beside them
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whatever it takes you know you’re doing
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that
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that’s so amazing and i and i think just
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the fact that
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you embraced the situation
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and you had really open communication
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and that is alone
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not only healthy for your marriage but
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you’re teaching your children
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such healthy habits like i really have
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to congratulate you and i know connie’s
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up there nodding her head because
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she’s gonna get you’re gonna get a
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hallelujah from connie
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right because that is so admirable for
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you to do that that’s taking that stigma
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away that
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you know years and years of the stigma
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that we need to we need to change the
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narrative and i know
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all of us on on our screen today are
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working
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um
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endlessly to make sure that we can do
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that
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uh connie do you have any questions top
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of mind that i know you do you’re just
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itching
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i’m usually not itching but
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you guys are hitting the cord here with
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me
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i wanna maybe jade for anyone who is
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supporting a family member that’s going
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through things that they don’t
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understand
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what advice would you give them
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obviously
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you know listening is is number one and
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and just it might just be sitting there
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and uh for half an hour without without
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saying anything uh yet and
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and it’s also important that you know as
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you’re there and you’re bearing all this
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burden you know from from from from from
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kathy from the kids from from wherever
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else from work and stress and all the
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things that go with it that you yourself
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have someone that you can i don’t want
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to say lay into but you know talk to
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and veg i mean i had two childhood
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friends that i’ve known since i’ve you
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know been five years old they were rocks
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for me right i just you know phone call
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they would pick up the phone and listen
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and and go from there and of course your
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family as well and
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and uh you know through through my work
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and my businesses and founders coffee
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and all the networking things i did
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christina colas was a really big help
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for me as well just
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you know when i mean i’ve never been
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through this and and
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and connie you know we’ve we’ve
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collaborated on certain things and
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talked about mental wellness and
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and for me to come and just you know hey
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christina you know can i you know what
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do you think of this is this all right
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even when we talked about
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you know moving on from our from our
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professionals like i’m like am i making
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the right move and she’s like yes you
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should this is more people should do
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this question it
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um if you don’t feel comfortable with it
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you know move on go that get off your
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meds try something different
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and you know i i think not being scared
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to buck the system right don’t just
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listen to the doctors and that if you
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feel something is wrong in your heart
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and your gut you have to go with it uh
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it’s something and i truly believe that
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decision in you know probably beginning
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a january-ish time frame
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allowed cast to get back to work by
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mid-may i think we would still be in
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some sort of a of a rut and you know
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based on medication and and maybe false
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diagnosis um
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until we found somebody that maybe
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understood which which we finally did so
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i think really believing in in what you
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know about yourselves as people as
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husband and wife as family
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that goes a long way
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again just having that communication
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right and that open dialogue with with
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people that are in your corner yeah
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did you find uh i just kind of want to
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talk to the other side of this for kathy
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did you find kathy that there was any um
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adversity or opposition for you people
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really
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um one thing that i find we do in
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society and and it comes from a really
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good place i get that but we go oh
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tomorrow will be better you’ll be better
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tomorrow
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it’s okay everybody goes through things
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um
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i’m sure that you went through those
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situations too when you’re like i’m not
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feeling okay how did you
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how did you navigate through those
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situations and those relationships to
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help people understand
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yeah i felt you know i was very
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fortunate um i didn’t have people
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be like over overly optimistic right
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because they were they were listening to
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me and i was being very honest about my
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own struggles and what was going on for
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me
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um
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and but they also would provide some
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hope like
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what i would say and this is probably
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why again why i think it’s important for
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us to share our own story
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is uh that you’re not alone
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and that you there are different
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struggles of of that you’ll have you
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know throughout your life and
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by me opening up to some of my friends
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they start to talk to me about things
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that i didn’t realize that they
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struggled with right the the
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whether it was depression you know after
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someone had passed away
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and um i had a discussion with uh
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someone uh just yesterday
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was saying um around
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you know everyone is gonna be affected
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by mental health in some way or another
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whether
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it is themselves
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or whether it is like someone in their
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family and so it’s just important to
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have openly discussions you know when
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people say how are you doing
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it’s okay to say that you’re not fine
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but you’re not okay
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um
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and and maybe you don’t elaborate on
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that time but maybe you then have a you
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know a really heart-to-heart discussion
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with someone and then it’s amazing how
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someone opens up from that perspective
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and then they talk about their own
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struggles and it just realizes it gives
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you hope because if they’re in a better
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spot that’s what i kind of saw you know
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i had friends that went through
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depression postpartum depression i never
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experienced that you know i was very
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fortunate
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but the same thing they just talked
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about you know how it got better you
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know and um
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that little bit of sliver of hope gave
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me hope because when you’re in it you
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just don’t think
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it’s gonna get better right um
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so you you need that you need those
21:34
people to kind of to be cheering on on
21:37
the sidelines right
21:39
absolutely jade what’s your your
21:42
feedback on that
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uh i
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i truly believe that you know we got
21:50
through this because it was a village
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right we
21:54
you know reaching out to our friends and
21:57
and having them come take kathy for
21:59
walks dropping off food you know just it
22:02
didn’t matter what somebody did they
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they were there for us and
22:06
if it was like listen you know what i i
22:09
just gotta i gotta go out right i i have
22:11
to you know just go for a walk or i have
22:14
to go play baseball can you come look
22:15
after the girls when kath was in the
22:17
hospital and even on the girls side we
22:19
went to the bounce springs and
22:21
and just kind of kind of got away for a
22:23
few days to try and get their mind off
22:26
it you know before school started and
22:28
and all the struggles and and crap that
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was going on with covid and all that
22:33
type of stuff
22:34
so it’s it’s it’s making sure that you
22:38
really reach out and
22:41
and even before we stepped out here and
22:42
and decided to tell our story which i
22:44
think it’s a very
22:46
very important part of letting people
22:48
know that it can happen to anybody it
22:50
doesn’t really matter who you are what
22:52
you are
22:53
where you are in society how much money
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you have how successful you are
22:57
it makes absolutely no difference and
23:01
and even like the shirts were wearing
23:02
with you know tyler smith who was a
23:04
survivor of the humble broncos crash
23:06
right having him and all these people
23:09
tell stories i think will will
23:11
will help
23:13
um
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you know the next person that’s
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suffering in silence step forward and
23:17
and say oh my goodness like jay and
23:19
kathy are you know they’re they’re okay
23:20
it’s okay to come forward
23:22
we’re there’s someone there or even if
23:24
as you and pam you and i talked on ours
23:26
if they at the end of our discussion we
23:28
said phone me i’m there here’s my phone
23:30
number here’s my email i’m here i’m here
23:32
to listen and you know if i can’t help
23:35
you i probably know somebody that can
23:37
but i’ll listen and and then let’s have
23:39
that discussion moving forward
23:42
it’s so important right and you pull on
23:44
my heart strings when we talk about that
23:46
it’s it’s as simple and as hard as just
23:49
picking up the phone
23:51
right yeah doing a tax day i i need to
23:54
talk to someone and i think it’s also
23:56
important to understand and i hope
23:58
everybody hears that take away that
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when we’re supporting somebody who’s
24:02
going through struggles they too need
24:04
some support
24:06
yeah no absolutely right i mean
24:08
you just
24:10
it’s not healthy just to keep all that
24:12
inside on yourself right you have to
24:14
again you know again just
24:17
whether it’s event or talk or anything
24:19
that you can’t uh just a buddy a friend
24:22
whoever it is
24:23
you have to do that
24:25
right
24:26
i love that jay thank you and i know i
24:28
want to be respectful of everyone’s time
24:30
i actually want to spend the entire day
24:32
with you but i know we
24:34
you all have lives so
24:36
um just before we
24:38
we wrap up
24:39
i would love to
24:41
have you kathy share about where you
24:44
where you are today
24:45
what successes are you feeling and that
24:48
beautiful smile you have so i you know
24:50
today’s a good day i’d love to hear your
24:53
feedback
24:54
yeah i mean
24:55
and again this is probably why it’s
24:57
easier for me to talk about this because
24:59
um you know i am uh you can be fully
25:02
recovered after psychosis right so i
25:04
don’t have any uh lingering effects from
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it
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um
25:10
so very fortunate i know others are not
25:13
so fortunate that it’s a continual
25:15
struggle with their life right
25:18
um
25:18
you know i just draw upon
25:20
the stuff that keeps me on track and i
25:23
know there’s the new buzzword is
25:25
self-care
25:27
but i’d have to say you know that is an
25:30
important thing
25:31
um i know for me what kind of started it
25:35
um
25:36
was having a lack of sleep
25:38
and so just like very important for
25:40
myself to make sure i am doing that
25:43
right taking putting myself to bed like
25:45
a child you know making sure i am going
25:47
to bed just these little things that are
25:50
just so important for your mental health
25:52
and we take them for granted sometimes
25:54
right but they are they’re really
25:56
important
25:57
um
25:58
so you know i feel i feel really
26:00
positive and hopeful for
26:03
you know the future and i
26:05
you know i feel very fortunate to as
26:08
well to have the support system that i
26:10
did
26:10
and um
26:12
you know again i see it too for us being
26:16
very outspoken obviously
26:19
to around this issue
26:21
and i’ll continue to do that whether you
26:23
know i share with people one-on-one um
26:25
my story
26:27
doing something like this i think is
26:29
important to continue
26:31
to draw awareness to it
26:35
i certainly appreciate you and i know
26:36
connie feels the same way of you know
26:40
both of you being the trailblazers that
26:42
you are and it’s a tough job to sign up
26:45
for when we’re trying to change
26:47
um stigma in a narrative that is very uh
26:51
very outdated and unrealistic so you
26:54
know thank you for
26:55
for bringing the brave souls you are and
26:58
jay do you have any final thoughts
27:00
anything that you would like to uh just
27:03
from your standpoint
27:05
say to our viewers today
27:10
if someone does reach out to you
27:12
just listen
27:14
you know it’s very hard
27:15
and i know vanesha told me this uh you
27:18
know from the terminator foundation that
27:20
um
27:23
the fir you know her struggles with
27:25
addiction and that first step just to
27:28
come out and say i have a problem is the
27:30
hardest and
27:31
the fear of somebody just saying shake
27:33
it off or you know you’ll be okay is is
27:37
why people don’t come out so if if
27:39
someone does reach out to you
27:41
just you know open up give them a hug
27:44
um if it’s over you know over the phone
27:46
just say i’m here for you i’ll listen to
27:48
you and you know don’t offer opinions
27:50
don’t don’t don’t give them just listen
27:53
and and i think that is the most
27:55
important part of
27:57
of that net of that first step of that
27:59
person and
28:01
and if they’re reaching out to you they
28:03
very they value who you are as a person
28:05
they value your relationship and and you
28:08
should really take that
28:10
as a badge of honor and thinking you
28:12
know what we’ll get through this
28:13
together i’m here for you and and move
28:16
forward with them
28:19
i love that it’s just it’s such a
28:20
privilege right when somebody comes
28:22
to you and and asks you to sit in their
28:25
space with them and i think it’s great
28:27
that that respect that comes with that
28:29
kathy any any final thoughts for you
28:34
um
28:35
yeah i you know i feel like jada’s we’ve
28:38
we’ve said a lot but um
28:41
i i guess yeah just you know don’t give
28:44
up hope right that’s probably my biggest
28:48
um thing is just to make sure that
28:51
uh you continue
28:53
to to try right and reach out to the
28:56
people
28:57
that are close to you reach out to new
28:58
people
28:59
there is a lot of great services you
29:02
know you know i didn’t even mention some
29:04
of them but here within calgary uh the
29:06
recovery center was actually a very good
29:08
resource for me
29:10
as well as um access uh mental health
29:13
access where you know i i did phone them
29:16
and in kind of you know the despairs and
29:19
um yeah and then they they set you up
29:21
right so
29:23
use those resources and reach out for
29:25
them
29:27
wonderful thank you and
29:29
i think it’s important that um
29:32
we all know
29:33
that just because
29:35
my tag line right now is just because we
29:37
took the mass off it didn’t change
29:38
anything as far as mental health right
29:41
we still we’re still
29:43
on task we’re still moving forward we’ve
29:46
moved the dial greatly through this
29:49
pandemic i truly feel we need to keep
29:51
doing that we there’s no time to sit
29:53
back right
29:54
and and with that you know from a
29:57
headstrong perspective
29:59
um
30:00
people are reaching out to us more
30:02
actually when the mass that came off our
30:06
increase of folks reaching out increased
30:10
which we’re so grateful for and i know
30:11
connie feels the same way that people
30:14
know that we’re here to listen and to
30:16
sit in that space and so for anybody out
30:18
there today
30:20
who wants just to have a conversation
30:22
whether you want to speak with um
30:30
reach out at hello at
30:32
headstrongprogram.com
30:35
um you can text me any day time or night
30:39
i will promise i will answer you and i
30:42
will
30:43
gratefully sit in that space with you
30:45
and and just be and sometimes that’s
30:48
what it all it takes right is just be
30:50
there while we navigate through um
30:53
through these challenges that we all
30:55
face right i don’t think any anybody
30:57
gets out of this uh without uh needing
31:00
some support
31:01
so i
31:03
love to all of you today thank you so
31:05
much jade and kathy an absolute honor to
31:08
have uh have you
31:10
sit in our space at headstrong and uh
31:14
wishing you all a beautiful day stay
31:16
healthy yes you too and thank you for
31:18
allowing us to share our story and for
31:20
everything that you do pamela just keep
31:22
on being awesome
31:24
okay thank you