Headstrong with Pamela Morgan

We are grateful to have this powercouple join us for some #realtalk conversation.

Listen in to hear how Jade and Kathy are making a difference and impact in the community.

Transcript

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hi everyone pamela morgan from the

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headstrong podcast i’d love to welcome

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everybody watching today go grab a tea a

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coffee your lunch maybe your dinner

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depends the time zone that you’re

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sitting in and get comfortable for about

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the next 30 minutes i’m so excited to

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have

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jaden catherine alberts on with us today

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um we’re really going to be super

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organic here in this conversation we

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have so many things to celebrate uh one

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jade and catherine work a lot uh with

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folks like you and i entrepreneurs

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so they do a lot uh when it comes to

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peer guidance

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investment i have to do a shout out

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though to both of these awesome folks

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today that they just celebrated 20 years

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of what it bliss so congratulations you

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guys that that alone is a huge milestone

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and especially when you’re coming

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through pandemic

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and you’re still celebrating love so

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congratulations

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and along with that they’ve got two

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beautiful uh girls that growing they’re

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raising to be leaders i’m sure

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so we could go anywhere we could talk

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about love and marriage we could talk

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about being entrepreneurs um but today

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we’re actually here to talk a little bit

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more on a serious note about mental

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health and how you navigate through that

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so i love the t-shirts today too both of

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you not alone it’s okay to not be okay

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so maybe we can talk

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as well about what what do we do after

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we have that conversation and say it’s

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okay not to be okay what are those next

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steps

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i think pamela froze so i think so

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so friends please feel free what are

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some of those next steps she was just

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about to ask you

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well at least she’s got a good look on

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her face and it’s not oh there she’s

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back anyway

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did i did i freeze up was it like it’s a

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weird luck yeah

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oh you look good it was it was a good it

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wasn’t a midnight

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okay

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so did you catch what i said jade about

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i did yeah we did um i mean i think the

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you know any time those next steps it’s

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it’s about open communication and and

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and being honest and talking and

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and i think that’s and a very important

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part of

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you know of moving forward once you’ve

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kind of realized the problem that’s

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there and and and

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no one ever knows a solution or how long

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it’ll take or what it’s going to take to

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get there but you know being there for

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each other reaching out to other people

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for help using your network using you

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know people that have been there and i

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mean

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you know connie and i have talked about

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this before we’ve been there you both

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have been on the shows and and that’s

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exactly one of the best things that we

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can do is making sure that you’re you’re

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not alone and asking for help is not a

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sign of weakness and

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and being there for

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and having people just there to listen

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to you and and that was a really really

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important first step um when it came to

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to myself and and catherine and and i’ll

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let her kind of dive into you know her

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next steps when when we were starting

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our you know our recovery

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a wonderful thanks jaden and catherine

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what’s your

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your input on that

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yeah i you know i think it’s um

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you know every

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healing journey is different for people

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it really is and um

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the biggest thing uh when you’re going

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through it you don’t think you’re gonna

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get out

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it is and it’s true for a lot of people

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when they’re going they’re struggling

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with mental health

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and it’s that sense of hope right you

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need to have some hope

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that it is going to get better and

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i know it was helpful for me

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in having a big network

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whether it was of professionals whether

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it was friends

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obviously family during coved um i was

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stuck

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just the two of us a lot right so we had

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to talk a lot

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and i had to talk about some of my

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struggles and um you know i had family

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members that reached out to me every

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single day and checking in how i was

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doing

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so

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you know the biggest part

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um

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is having that network you know how you

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know the saying that says

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um

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it takes a village to raise a child

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i really believe that too with mental

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health it takes a village it truly does

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that

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that’s remarkable and i love the fact

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that you know in your mess what i’m

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hearing right now is the message of how

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brave you were coming forward

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and making that step

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to let people that love you and worry

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about you and that you’re so important

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to know that that you weren’t okay right

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yeah it’s it’s really difficult um

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you know part of what i went through

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with uh

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psychosis is part of the

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part of it is is that you actually don’t

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think you have anything wrong with you

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so anyone who has dealt maybe with a

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family member who has schizophrenia or

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something like that

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they may have a difficulty in getting

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them on medication and coming to terms

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with what’s going on

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it’s not that they don’t want to

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it’s just that they don’t feel like

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there’s anything wrong with them

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um you know i truly believed i had

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superpowers

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you know i truly believed i was having

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intense

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discussions with god i mean these are

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things that you know for some people

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would be like miracles right and

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so

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it’s it is it is difficult um in in

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seeking help when an individual doesn’t

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think they need help right

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so if i can and i know we’re breaking up

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a little bit at that unstable

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internet that probably is my

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responsibility so i apologize

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uh

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when you’re talking about not really

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knowing that you need help and what that

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looks like

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would you be comfortable in sharing what

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were those steps for you like what was

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that realization for you specifically

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that you went oh

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hey something’s something’s amiss

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yeah um

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you know it was probably the last

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psychologist that i saw and even though

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i went to the hospital twice you know i

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was in the hospital

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once in june and again

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in um

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in september for a full month and

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you know you’re told your diagnosis but

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you don’t quite understand it all

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and what i found was um

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you just yeah you’re just unsure

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really

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and um of what’s going on

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you know something’s going on but you

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just don’t quite understand it you don’t

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understand what people are saying to you

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either so it was really hard from a

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comprehension perspective

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and then once i saw

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i had a

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therapist that specialized in psychosis

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and we had a conversation

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around um you know what that looks like

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and i won’t i’ll never forget filling

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out kind of the the questionnaire that

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he asked me

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and all the different things that he

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said you know were part of psychosis and

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then i realized

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yeah that’s what i had

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you know it was just it was kind of um

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i think you need it

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you need it brought up to you a lot

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right and that was what i really felt

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um i needed

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i

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i guess i needed the the door

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continually to be uh

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open for me and shown to me that makes

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sense

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oh we’re freezing up

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i would love to ask you

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pamela i hope you don’t mind just

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because i froze

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yeah i would love to ask you what

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brought you

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to be able to actually want to get help

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you you feel so horrible

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yeah like you are incredibly uh so there

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although there’s that period of you

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think you have special powers

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then part of psychosis is you go through

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a depression too as well

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and when you’re going through that um

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you then

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you just want to be out of it and you

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don’t feel like i never felt like myself

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and um i had

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very little joy

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in anything um it was really hard for me

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to do lots of tasks just at home like

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just an example

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just making a meal it felt very um

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hard and difficult it was like

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relearning like a child like i felt like

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a child in a lot of ways so

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i was like i can’t stay like this i

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never thought i’d go back to work that’s

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how you go through those periods right

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it’s so dark

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and now going through that

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i have such amount of empathy for anyone

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who’s struggling

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because then you really

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i get it why people a don’t talk about

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it because it is so hard

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um

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and um

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you know be sometimes why they feel like

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they’re never going to get out of it

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right

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did you find kathy

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when

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you were given that diagnosis did you

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find that it was freeing like you

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finally had an answer you knew what was

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going on what kind of what went through

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your head on that

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yeah so we we had a bit of a struggle

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though too like and this i think this

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happens to a lot of people when i’ve had

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conversations sometimes it’s around

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medication like people getting the right

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medication and they struggle with their

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family members and they never really

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find the right combination

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um

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what i i also when i came out of the

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hospital the second time i had sought a

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psychologist and um

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she decided to label me with ocd

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and adhd and so and she didn’t agree

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with the psychiatrist so i had

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professionals not agreeing which is so

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difficult and you are so challenged by

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that because all you want to do is get

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help

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so a therapist on one side the

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psychiatrist is like there’s nothing

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wrong with you you’re fine

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and you have someone else that wants to

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get you on more medication and then i

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had my general gp saying

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no like

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you there’s i’m not putting you on more

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medication you don’t need to be on

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medication it’s going to be worse and

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it just um

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you know it was a tough decision but we

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decided you know when again this is

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where

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like i felt like a child and so i really

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would go to jade and be like

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and he’s like no you don’t have adhd

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you’re not ocd

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and you know you just have to start to

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trust um

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your family members and what they were

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saying

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and um

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you know then we made a choice

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you know to really get my get me back to

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work

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to also uh have a new psychiatrist that

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specialized in my first diagnosis

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but yeah i was along the way and i found

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that out from my therapist i mean

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there’s not a lot of

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therapists that actually specialize in

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psychosis

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so that can be a difficulty where they

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get labeled as something else because

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you you kind of go through a lot of

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different mental illnesses you suffer

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with anxiety panic attacks

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uh you can be manic

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depression so you have all these

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symptoms

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um that looks like something else

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and so you could kind of you could have

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a therapist that doesn’t know as much

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around psychosis and doesn’t realize

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that those are

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are very much symptoms of it right so um

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getting the right help is so important

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that’s the big part

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and that alone sometimes can probably be

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a journey right

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you know

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having the right people surrounding you

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your tribe

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however you want to relate to that

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people that love and support you is i

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think so important

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um and my heart goes out to people that

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feel maybe sometimes that they don’t

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have that support and it doesn’t mean

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that you need to have them

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it’s not the quantity it’s always the

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quality that’s how i can relate to my

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life it’s quality and in your tribe

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and you know i

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i’m probably going to speak for you that

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jade was an absolute blessing that

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he stood by your side you know and

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i ask you jade for a couple moments a

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couple questions related to

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what did that look like for you when

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kathy was going through

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through that

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you know i mean

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people ask me that all the time and it’s

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just like you know what it’s your role

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it’s your job it’s uh

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you’re you’re not only there for your

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wife but you also have our two beautiful

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children that have a perspective

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different perspective on it and then

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you know even when we were going through

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covid there i had a bunch of

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entrepreneurs reaching out to me and

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things along those lines so

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i was wearing like five hats and and you

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know kind of the the work hat went away

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for a little bit and and you know just

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did what i had to because you had to

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focus on your family

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and of course we weren’t sharing you

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know our story or what was going on

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unless it was you know our our

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close-knit group of friends and and

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people that you know i reached out to

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you know four questions you know should

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i do this what should i do here

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um but

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like i said like each person you know

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kathy had different needs and

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and and even during this time frame they

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were going back to school so it was

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talking to the teachers saying you know

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if you notice anything that’s going on

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please you know let me know this is

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this is this is what’s happening and and

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making sure that you know one of our

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daughters was was able to talk to a

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counselor they wanted to the other one

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didn’t so

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it was also making sure that that line

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of communication was

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was open because she was a little closed

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off a bit when uh when calf came home so

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again it’s just wearing a bunch of hats

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and and really just listening

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and you know not kind of offering

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opinions and

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uh and being there and like and like

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kath said i mean i totally disagreed

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with you know we’ve been married for 20

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together for 27 years and i know she’s

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not adhd or ocd come look at our

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bathroom like it’s we’re you know i i’m

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probably the one that has both of them

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to a point but

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you know it’s it’s there it’s listening

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it’s hugging it’s uh you know just being

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there it’s just laying beside them

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whatever it takes you know you’re doing

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that

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that’s so amazing and i and i think just

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the fact that

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you embraced the situation

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and you had really open communication

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and that is alone

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not only healthy for your marriage but

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you’re teaching your children

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such healthy habits like i really have

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to congratulate you and i know connie’s

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up there nodding her head because

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she’s gonna get you’re gonna get a

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hallelujah from connie

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right because that is so admirable for

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you to do that that’s taking that stigma

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away that

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you know years and years of the stigma

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that we need to we need to change the

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narrative and i know

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all of us on on our screen today are

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working

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um

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endlessly to make sure that we can do

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that

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uh connie do you have any questions top

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of mind that i know you do you’re just

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itching

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i’m usually not itching but

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you guys are hitting the cord here with

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me

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i wanna maybe jade for anyone who is

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supporting a family member that’s going

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through things that they don’t

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understand

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what advice would you give them

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obviously

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you know listening is is number one and

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and just it might just be sitting there

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and uh for half an hour without without

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saying anything uh yet and

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and it’s also important that you know as

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you’re there and you’re bearing all this

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burden you know from from from from from

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kathy from the kids from from wherever

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else from work and stress and all the

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things that go with it that you yourself

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have someone that you can i don’t want

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to say lay into but you know talk to

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and veg i mean i had two childhood

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friends that i’ve known since i’ve you

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know been five years old they were rocks

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for me right i just you know phone call

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they would pick up the phone and listen

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and and go from there and of course your

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family as well and

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and uh you know through through my work

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and my businesses and founders coffee

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and all the networking things i did

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christina colas was a really big help

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for me as well just

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you know when i mean i’ve never been

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through this and and

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and connie you know we’ve we’ve

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collaborated on certain things and

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talked about mental wellness and

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and for me to come and just you know hey

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christina you know can i you know what

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do you think of this is this all right

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even when we talked about

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you know moving on from our from our

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professionals like i’m like am i making

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the right move and she’s like yes you

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should this is more people should do

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this question it

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um if you don’t feel comfortable with it

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you know move on go that get off your

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meds try something different

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and you know i i think not being scared

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to buck the system right don’t just

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listen to the doctors and that if you

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feel something is wrong in your heart

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and your gut you have to go with it uh

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it’s something and i truly believe that

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decision in you know probably beginning

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a january-ish time frame

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allowed cast to get back to work by

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mid-may i think we would still be in

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some sort of a of a rut and you know

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based on medication and and maybe false

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diagnosis um

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until we found somebody that maybe

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understood which which we finally did so

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i think really believing in in what you

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know about yourselves as people as

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husband and wife as family

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that goes a long way

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again just having that communication

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right and that open dialogue with with

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people that are in your corner yeah

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did you find uh i just kind of want to

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talk to the other side of this for kathy

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did you find kathy that there was any um

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adversity or opposition for you people

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really

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um one thing that i find we do in

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society and and it comes from a really

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good place i get that but we go oh

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tomorrow will be better you’ll be better

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tomorrow

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it’s okay everybody goes through things

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um

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i’m sure that you went through those

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situations too when you’re like i’m not

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feeling okay how did you

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how did you navigate through those

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situations and those relationships to

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help people understand

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yeah i felt you know i was very

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fortunate um i didn’t have people

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be like over overly optimistic right

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because they were they were listening to

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me and i was being very honest about my

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own struggles and what was going on for

19:49

me

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um

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and but they also would provide some

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hope like

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what i would say and this is probably

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why again why i think it’s important for

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us to share our own story

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is uh that you’re not alone

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and that you there are different

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struggles of of that you’ll have you

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know throughout your life and

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by me opening up to some of my friends

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they start to talk to me about things

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that i didn’t realize that they

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struggled with right the the

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whether it was depression you know after

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someone had passed away

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and um i had a discussion with uh

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someone uh just yesterday

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was saying um around

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you know everyone is gonna be affected

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by mental health in some way or another

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whether

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it is themselves

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or whether it is like someone in their

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family and so it’s just important to

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have openly discussions you know when

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people say how are you doing

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it’s okay to say that you’re not fine

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but you’re not okay

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um

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and and maybe you don’t elaborate on

20:56

that time but maybe you then have a you

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know a really heart-to-heart discussion

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with someone and then it’s amazing how

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someone opens up from that perspective

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and then they talk about their own

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struggles and it just realizes it gives

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you hope because if they’re in a better

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spot that’s what i kind of saw you know

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i had friends that went through

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depression postpartum depression i never

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experienced that you know i was very

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fortunate

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but the same thing they just talked

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about you know how it got better you

21:22

know and um

21:23

that little bit of sliver of hope gave

21:26

me hope because when you’re in it you

21:28

just don’t think

21:29

it’s gonna get better right um

21:32

so you you need that you need those

21:34

people to kind of to be cheering on on

21:37

the sidelines right

21:39

absolutely jade what’s your your

21:42

feedback on that

21:46

uh i

21:48

i truly believe that you know we got

21:50

through this because it was a village

21:52

right we

21:54

you know reaching out to our friends and

21:57

and having them come take kathy for

21:59

walks dropping off food you know just it

22:02

didn’t matter what somebody did they

22:04

they were there for us and

22:06

if it was like listen you know what i i

22:09

just gotta i gotta go out right i i have

22:11

to you know just go for a walk or i have

22:14

to go play baseball can you come look

22:15

after the girls when kath was in the

22:17

hospital and even on the girls side we

22:19

went to the bounce springs and

22:21

and just kind of kind of got away for a

22:23

few days to try and get their mind off

22:26

it you know before school started and

22:28

and all the struggles and and crap that

22:30

was going on with covid and all that

22:33

type of stuff

22:34

so it’s it’s it’s making sure that you

22:38

really reach out and

22:41

and even before we stepped out here and

22:42

and decided to tell our story which i

22:44

think it’s a very

22:46

very important part of letting people

22:48

know that it can happen to anybody it

22:50

doesn’t really matter who you are what

22:52

you are

22:53

where you are in society how much money

22:55

you have how successful you are

22:57

it makes absolutely no difference and

23:01

and even like the shirts were wearing

23:02

with you know tyler smith who was a

23:04

survivor of the humble broncos crash

23:06

right having him and all these people

23:09

tell stories i think will will

23:11

will help

23:13

um

23:14

you know the next person that’s

23:15

suffering in silence step forward and

23:17

and say oh my goodness like jay and

23:19

kathy are you know they’re they’re okay

23:20

it’s okay to come forward

23:22

we’re there’s someone there or even if

23:24

as you and pam you and i talked on ours

23:26

if they at the end of our discussion we

23:28

said phone me i’m there here’s my phone

23:30

number here’s my email i’m here i’m here

23:32

to listen and you know if i can’t help

23:35

you i probably know somebody that can

23:37

but i’ll listen and and then let’s have

23:39

that discussion moving forward

23:42

it’s so important right and you pull on

23:44

my heart strings when we talk about that

23:46

it’s it’s as simple and as hard as just

23:49

picking up the phone

23:51

right yeah doing a tax day i i need to

23:54

talk to someone and i think it’s also

23:56

important to understand and i hope

23:58

everybody hears that take away that

24:00

when we’re supporting somebody who’s

24:02

going through struggles they too need

24:04

some support

24:06

yeah no absolutely right i mean

24:08

you just

24:10

it’s not healthy just to keep all that

24:12

inside on yourself right you have to

24:14

again you know again just

24:17

whether it’s event or talk or anything

24:19

that you can’t uh just a buddy a friend

24:22

whoever it is

24:23

you have to do that

24:25

right

24:26

i love that jay thank you and i know i

24:28

want to be respectful of everyone’s time

24:30

i actually want to spend the entire day

24:32

with you but i know we

24:34

you all have lives so

24:36

um just before we

24:38

we wrap up

24:39

i would love to

24:41

have you kathy share about where you

24:44

where you are today

24:45

what successes are you feeling and that

24:48

beautiful smile you have so i you know

24:50

today’s a good day i’d love to hear your

24:53

feedback

24:54

yeah i mean

24:55

and again this is probably why it’s

24:57

easier for me to talk about this because

24:59

um you know i am uh you can be fully

25:02

recovered after psychosis right so i

25:04

don’t have any uh lingering effects from

25:08

it

25:09

um

25:10

so very fortunate i know others are not

25:13

so fortunate that it’s a continual

25:15

struggle with their life right

25:18

um

25:18

you know i just draw upon

25:20

the stuff that keeps me on track and i

25:23

know there’s the new buzzword is

25:25

self-care

25:27

but i’d have to say you know that is an

25:30

important thing

25:31

um i know for me what kind of started it

25:35

um

25:36

was having a lack of sleep

25:38

and so just like very important for

25:40

myself to make sure i am doing that

25:43

right taking putting myself to bed like

25:45

a child you know making sure i am going

25:47

to bed just these little things that are

25:50

just so important for your mental health

25:52

and we take them for granted sometimes

25:54

right but they are they’re really

25:56

important

25:57

um

25:58

so you know i feel i feel really

26:00

positive and hopeful for

26:03

you know the future and i

26:05

you know i feel very fortunate to as

26:08

well to have the support system that i

26:10

did

26:10

and um

26:12

you know again i see it too for us being

26:16

very outspoken obviously

26:19

to around this issue

26:21

and i’ll continue to do that whether you

26:23

know i share with people one-on-one um

26:25

my story

26:27

doing something like this i think is

26:29

important to continue

26:31

to draw awareness to it

26:35

i certainly appreciate you and i know

26:36

connie feels the same way of you know

26:40

both of you being the trailblazers that

26:42

you are and it’s a tough job to sign up

26:45

for when we’re trying to change

26:47

um stigma in a narrative that is very uh

26:51

very outdated and unrealistic so you

26:54

know thank you for

26:55

for bringing the brave souls you are and

26:58

jay do you have any final thoughts

27:00

anything that you would like to uh just

27:03

from your standpoint

27:05

say to our viewers today

27:10

if someone does reach out to you

27:12

just listen

27:14

you know it’s very hard

27:15

and i know vanesha told me this uh you

27:18

know from the terminator foundation that

27:20

um

27:23

the fir you know her struggles with

27:25

addiction and that first step just to

27:28

come out and say i have a problem is the

27:30

hardest and

27:31

the fear of somebody just saying shake

27:33

it off or you know you’ll be okay is is

27:37

why people don’t come out so if if

27:39

someone does reach out to you

27:41

just you know open up give them a hug

27:44

um if it’s over you know over the phone

27:46

just say i’m here for you i’ll listen to

27:48

you and you know don’t offer opinions

27:50

don’t don’t don’t give them just listen

27:53

and and i think that is the most

27:55

important part of

27:57

of that net of that first step of that

27:59

person and

28:01

and if they’re reaching out to you they

28:03

very they value who you are as a person

28:05

they value your relationship and and you

28:08

should really take that

28:10

as a badge of honor and thinking you

28:12

know what we’ll get through this

28:13

together i’m here for you and and move

28:16

forward with them

28:19

i love that it’s just it’s such a

28:20

privilege right when somebody comes

28:22

to you and and asks you to sit in their

28:25

space with them and i think it’s great

28:27

that that respect that comes with that

28:29

kathy any any final thoughts for you

28:34

um

28:35

yeah i you know i feel like jada’s we’ve

28:38

we’ve said a lot but um

28:41

i i guess yeah just you know don’t give

28:44

up hope right that’s probably my biggest

28:48

um thing is just to make sure that

28:51

uh you continue

28:53

to to try right and reach out to the

28:56

people

28:57

that are close to you reach out to new

28:58

people

28:59

there is a lot of great services you

29:02

know you know i didn’t even mention some

29:04

of them but here within calgary uh the

29:06

recovery center was actually a very good

29:08

resource for me

29:10

as well as um access uh mental health

29:13

access where you know i i did phone them

29:16

and in kind of you know the despairs and

29:19

um yeah and then they they set you up

29:21

right so

29:23

use those resources and reach out for

29:25

them

29:27

wonderful thank you and

29:29

i think it’s important that um

29:32

we all know

29:33

that just because

29:35

my tag line right now is just because we

29:37

took the mass off it didn’t change

29:38

anything as far as mental health right

29:41

we still we’re still

29:43

on task we’re still moving forward we’ve

29:46

moved the dial greatly through this

29:49

pandemic i truly feel we need to keep

29:51

doing that we there’s no time to sit

29:53

back right

29:54

and and with that you know from a

29:57

headstrong perspective

29:59

um

30:00

people are reaching out to us more

30:02

actually when the mass that came off our

30:06

increase of folks reaching out increased

30:10

which we’re so grateful for and i know

30:11

connie feels the same way that people

30:14

know that we’re here to listen and to

30:16

sit in that space and so for anybody out

30:18

there today

30:20

who wants just to have a conversation

30:22

whether you want to speak with um

30:30

reach out at hello at

30:32

headstrongprogram.com

30:35

um you can text me any day time or night

30:39

i will promise i will answer you and i

30:42

will

30:43

gratefully sit in that space with you

30:45

and and just be and sometimes that’s

30:48

what it all it takes right is just be

30:50

there while we navigate through um

30:53

through these challenges that we all

30:55

face right i don’t think any anybody

30:57

gets out of this uh without uh needing

31:00

some support

31:01

so i

31:03

love to all of you today thank you so

31:05

much jade and kathy an absolute honor to

31:08

have uh have you

31:10

sit in our space at headstrong and uh

31:14

wishing you all a beautiful day stay

31:16

healthy yes you too and thank you for

31:18

allowing us to share our story and for

31:20

everything that you do pamela just keep

31:22

on being awesome

31:24

okay thank you




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